Will Davis Square Keep Its Brick Sidewalks?
Planners Tuesday night discussed what changes to Davis Square the city might undertake in the next couple of years.
Should Davis Square's sidewalks be replaced with new bricks or converted to another material, like concrete pavers, concrete with brick accents of even concrete with colorful glass mixed in?
That was one of the topics under consideration Tuesday evening at a meeting about improving Davis Square's streets, the fourth and final such meeting held this summer.
The city is planning to make improvements to the square's streetscape in the next couple of years, though there isn't a precise timeline yet.
Participants at Tuesday's meeting also discussed what style of benches, tables, trash bins and lights to put in square.
Planners presented some recommendations, based on earlier meetings, for changes to the area's streetscape.
Some of the most significant changes include the following:
- Eliminating the "slip lane" that allows drivers to turn left from Highland Avenue onto Elm Street and turing that area into a pedestrian plaza
- Widening the sidewalk and narrowing the traffic lanes on Elm Street near Chester Street
- Altering the signal and intersection layout at Highland Avenue and Cutter Avenue
- Installing a traffic table at the intersection of Grove Street and Highland Avenue
Planners are not officially recommending, though they're considering, altering the area around Summer, Elm and Russell streets by turing part of Summer Street into a pedestrian plaza. They're also studying ways to improve the flow of the Bike Path through the square.
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Jenn-D
7:19 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Removing the brick??? Come on! It is a historical aspect that gives character to Davis Sq. So what's the plan, rip it out & make it look generic, like any other square?! Ludicrous!
Ron Newman
8:22 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I like the brick, but it's a difficult surface to maintain, as the bricks loosen and become uneven over time. If I were using a wheelchair, I'd probably hate it.
Matt C
8:28 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I right with Jen and Ron, the brick is great and adds character - rather than replacing it with concrete they can update it to more modern brick paving technology - that way they can address the concerns of loose, uneven walkways while maintaining the character.
Somerville Home Owner
11:24 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Keep the brick! It adds character. Also, it's cheaper to fix the areas that need attention than replace all of it.
What's with all the traffic changes... they ideas don't sound good to me. Don't fix what ain't broken.
Somerville Home Owner
11:26 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I completely agree with Nancy... we shouldn't go too crazy in the bike/pedestrian direction. I think there's a nice balance now.
BostonUrbEx
12:19 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Bluestone. The best sidewalk paver material.
But they're difficult to replace when you have to cut up the sidewalk for utility work.
Chris Devers
12:52 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I don't understand how eliminating the “slip lane” will work.
If you're driving into the square on Highland Avenue, and you need to get to Elm Street coming out of the square, how are you going to be able to do that?
I'm guessing part of the plan is to get more people to take a left at Grove Street before getting to the square, but if you're parked after that, then you have to… I don't know, maybe go past the Theatre, drive behind Seven Hills Park, then loop around Buena Vista Road back to Elm Street.
It could work, I guess, but seems much more cumbersome, and it will put a lot more traffic on what are currently some pretty quiet streets.
Ron Newman
1:08 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
My understanding is that cars would just turn left from Highland onto Elm in the regular left turn lane.
Somerville Home Owner
2:04 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
with some changes, I suppose it could work... but why? what is wrong with the slip lane?
Chris Devers
3:26 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
@Ron Turning left from Highland to Elm without that cutout seems like it would be extremely awkward — that's like a 200º angle or something, and many vehicles (e.g. delivery trucks) won't have a small enough turn radius to get onto Elm without plowing into the front of the CVS. That can't possibly be an improvement over the current configuration.
Somerville Home Owner
3:32 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I agree with Chris Devers... hard left from Highland to Elm is very awkward. I hope the city is hiring respectable traffic engineers for this project. Making experimental changes doesn't seem like a good idea.
Charlie Denison
5:30 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
If the City removed the slip lane, they would carve back part of the current island so that it was more curved, allowing vehicles to easily make a U turn along the outside of it.
Somerville Home Owner
5:41 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
@Charlie: what's the point then? That counteracts the point of the slip lane and island... which was to help pedestrians. What you describe will make the crossing wider, possibly making it less pedestrian friendly. I suppose of lights were timed properly that would help. But the other issue is that the traffic on Highland ave would just build up more... because more cars would be waiting for the light. I don't see that as better either.
Benjamin Mako Hill
5:52 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
SHO: Right now, the whole slip lane is unusable for anything except the occasional car going through, plus the island is basically useless because it's isolated with traffic on all sides. It's sort of just a waste of space. Even if they lost some of the current island, the regained space from the sliplane would still be a huge net positive.
The sliplane is dangerous for pedestrians and a pain for cars because visibility is really bad coming around around and pedestrians seem to just sort of randomly step out into it.
JJ
2:01 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Anyone who has tried to walk from one side of Davis Square to the other withOUT crossing against lights of jaywalking, would fully support changes. As a resident of Davis Square, I am completely frustrated in the set-up for pedestrians. It is broken, it should be fixed. Crossing the street 3-4 times just to get from one point in the square to the other is insane.
Somerville Home Owner
2:05 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
It can be frustrating... but I don't know how you change that when you have so many streets intersecting. Blame the cows that supposedly did the city planning around here. :-/
Benjamin Mako Hill
2:10 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Even the lights are confusing. I've seen the pedestrian light crossing Highland do all kinds of weird things. Count down to 13 and then just freeze. Count down and then count-back up. Say no-crossing when everybody at the intersection has a red for minutes. It's a nightmare. I'm glad the city is working on it!
JJ
2:17 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Having multiple streets intersect is not a unique situation for any city. Timing the lights better to accommodate pedestrian traffic as Benjamin points out and eliminating the slip lane may not solve everyone's problems, but it's certainly a step in the right direction. I'm happy the city is looking into this and look forward to some improvements.
Somerville Home Owner
3:30 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I have travelled quite a bit and I haven't seen too many places outside of Boston metro that have 6 streets intersect the way they do in Davis.
JJ
2:55 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Chicago has quite a few of them. None of them involve slip lanes.
Benjamin Mako Hill
2:08 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Turning the slip lane into just a normal hard-left would make driving in the square more easy, I believe. Right now, there are multiple left turn lanes which makes the whole thing pretty confusing. The addition of a nice pedestrian plaza would be an incredible benefit for the local businesses like Mike by making the area more open. It would also mean that the current little memorial which is isolated on an island in the center of traffic might actually get some traffic and use, and would generally make this much more comfortable.
My only recommendation would be to make sure there are trees out in that plaza. A big thing of concrete can be rather harsh and univiting, as the "Davis Square Plaza" near the Starbucks/Chipotle is evidence of.
In any case, this is awesome news. I live in apartment a block or so away. I guess it will make things a little louder but I think its worth it. If i wanted complete silence, I wouldn't have picked an apartment in the center of the square.
cp kostos
11:04 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Hire an outside traffic manager/architect/planner qualified to solve these problems. This is much too important to allow "the public" to solve these problems. Go over to Medford Square and witness the disaster that cost them several millions and they still can't get it right after almost 25 years. I'm talking about a national search or go to MIT and Harvard gradutes schools and ask for help in solving this problem.
Somerville Home Owner
12:00 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I completely agree with cp kostos. You need a respectable professional. The "public" mean well, but not all ideas that "sound good" are good. A simple change could have very negative affects on the flow of traffic, etc. I don't see a problem right now in Davis, except for the timing of lights and lack of proper bike crossing.
Jonah Petri
8:18 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
"Hire an outside traffic manager/architect/planner qualified to solve these problems."
They did.
Lucas Rogers
12:45 am on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I agree that the pedestrian crossings right now take far too long. The result is that pedestrians ignore them. I also wish they would make it easier to bike into Davis Square from points south and east. Right now, the one-ways make it very awkward for bicycles. I think we need a few strategic counter-flow bike lanes, such as on Elm west of Summer. Finally, the way the eastern portion of the community path connects to the area around the T station is totally illogical, forcing bikes to either terrify pedestrians on a sidewalk or, if heading east, bike the wrong way on the busway.