Poll: Most Important U.S. Senate Race Issue?
Democratic frontrunner Elizabeth Warren is expected to challenge Republican U.S. Senator Scott Brown.
In less than three weeks Massachusetts voters will vote in the March 6 Super Tuesday primary, and, while much focus is deservedly upon the upcoming presidential race, we decided to take a look ahead to the Sept. 6 Democratic senate primary.
Democrats will have three choices for someone to challenge Republican Senator Scott Brown: frontrunner and Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, immigration lawyer Marisa DeFranco, and corporate lawyer James Coyne King.
Each of the candidates list what they believe are the most important issues in this race on their campaign websites: Scott Brown on the issues; Elizabeth Warren on the issues; Marisa DeFranco on the issues; James Coyne King on the issues. But we want to know what you think is the most important issue.
Please share your ideas by taking this poll and by commenting in the comment section below.
JJ
1:01 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Scott Brown has been a huge disappointment. He has done nothing for the State since being elected and has only worked to enhance his own career within the GOP. I don't believe he supports the middle class at all. In fact, given his ties to Wall St and big oil I think he has fallen right into the trap. As for his latest stunt trying to import 10500 skilled Irish - that is shameful given the job market here. Obviously he is trying to catch the Irish vote.
Jonah Petri
3:25 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
He still doesn't believe in global warming... for this single-issue voter, that's pretty much all that matters.
John Waller
4:08 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
via Facebook ...
Alex Oneto: All of the options are valid but each candidate views them differently and that's the issue in this election: How each candidate will handle each of those issues!! Clearly Elizabeth Warren will handle them to the best of America's/ MA's Needs NOT to the Needs of Big Money or The GOP...
Brandon Chapman
4:20 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Nothing says "in touch with the common man" like a carpet-bagging member of the academic elite
Diana
4:50 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Nothing says "in touch with the common man" like voting to use government funds for a golf course, and to deny benefits to 9/11 responders. In the same month.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/01/16/77726/justify-denying-911aid/
His voting record, for anyone who's interested in having an informed opinion.
http://www.votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/18919/
ForestDale
5:02 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Plus, she doesn't even drive a pick-up truck!
How could anyone vote for someone who doesn't drive a pick-up truck?
Diana
5:05 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Erm... Warren isn't Harvard educated either. She did attend GW, University of Houston (that bastion of socialism) and Rutgers.
But hey Scott Brown MUST be okay. Dan Marcella says he is. ;)
Brandon Chapman
5:06 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Yes, thinkprogress.org strikes me as a neutral, nonpartisan website. I'm glad that Senator Brown's record was posted though. Voters need to see that he's served exactly the way he said he would....as an independent voice for Massachusetts. I haven't agree with every vote, but it's nice to have a Senator who isn't beholden to a political party or agenda.
Diana
5:12 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
So you skipped the video, then? I admit that ThinkProgress isn't a neutral site, and one I wouldn't ordinarily expect anyone to take at face value. Thing is, in this particular case, it includes a video of Scott Brown's actual words.
Diana
5:07 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
And seriously, what's up with the raging intellectual insecurity around here? I didn't go to Harvard either, but I don't tell myself bedtime stories about how people who went there aren't REALLY smart, just to make myself feel better.
Daniel Marcella
5:15 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
And I HATE when the lamestream media refers to it as "Ted Kennedy's Seat"! Yes; he did serve on it for 40+ years, but that just makes it obvious that we need term limits. (In fairness, not just because of Ted, but countless others have sat in Congress WAAAAYYYY TOO long!)
Brandon Chapman
5:20 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I'm not insecure at all. The point is that liberal academics like her have the "smartest person in the room" complex. They feel a sense of superiority whereby they should dictate to the rest of us because they know better.
Diana
5:28 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Yeah, I hate when people who have advanced degrees in stuff I know nothing about think that they know more than I do.
So, just out of curiosity, if a liberal academic and a conservative academic each vote on a bill before the Senate, which of them is "dictating" to the rest of us?
Brandon Chapman
5:37 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
So you prefer that the government handle everything for you, and tell you how to live your life?
And I wasn't talking about specific votes on bills, more the general ideologies of both sides
David Sloane
5:29 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
We'll be voting for presidential candidates on March 6th. While the state Democratic Party is holding caucuses this week, and holding a convention in June, the primary ballot isn't until September 6th - see http://www.sec.state.ma.us/ele/elepdf/2012_State_Election_Calendar.pdf.
Andrew Jeromski
5:34 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Good Point @David ... Seems we botched the dates a bit. I'll be fixing that at once. Thanks for the heads up!
Diana
5:47 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Brandon (can't reply directly to your post for some reason), those aren't ideologies, those are stereotypes. I suppose I could reflexively counter with "conservatives want government to be juuuuuuust small enough to fit in my bedroom", but why bore ourselves to death? What about Brown's voting record or policy stances specifically impresses you? What about Warren's history or stances specifically displeases you?
Southender
5:58 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
I don't think Brown's props such as the truck, brown jacket and the singing daughter who gets paid by his campaign will work this time. He has delivered nothing since being elected. No jobs. No money to our State. Furthermore he has voted against extending unemployment during the recession and the budget which would increase taxes to the rich. I could go on and on; however, it is easier to look up his Legistlative record yourself. His Bill to prohibit insider trading only came two days after the 60 minutes expose. He says he didn't know about it until then. He should have known.
Dom DeLuise
7:30 pm on Wednesday, February 15, 2012
Unfortunately, the most important issue to most Massachusetts voters (whether they acknowledge it or not) is a candidate's gender.
Here's a few fun facts: Massachusetts has NEVER elected a female governor. Massachusetts has NEVER elected a female U.S. Senator. Boston has NEVER elected a female mayor. Only four times has a female been elected by Massachusetts voters to the U.S. House of Representatives.
I hope Elizabeth Warren can clear this hurdle because she would make a great Senator, but its a tough hill to climb.
Diana
9:13 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I have girly parts, and I'm not convinced this is the problem. Frankly, the last few female candidates I can think of were... unimpressive.
That said, while winning elections is nice, I'll consider it a victory the first time a woman candidate makes it through one without being called "shrill".
CB
7:59 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Warren is well spoken and intelligent, but like most liberal idealists her opinions are ba ckwards. Her infamous "factory" speech should be reversed. We should be creating a favorable environment for business to come, we should be courting them, not promoting ways to charge them more money. Many major building and updating infrastructure projects are initially funded by fancy loans in the form of bonds, these are ultimately paid off by taxes collected by businesses. In other words the nest is not built before the businesses arrived, as she claims....something she then suggests requires business to relinquish all of their profits for, a sort of 'priveledge' tax. Everyone thrives when businesses are successful (jobs, increased tax revenue, etc) and we should be doing everything to attract businesses. She's a small and large business killer, it's amazing she doesn't get it. Instead she spouts anti-rich, anti-business, anti-success rhetoric. The democrats need you to believe these successful businesses, or successful business people are the enemies, they think it will lead to votes if they are seen as "big business" slayers. The reality is they are not our enemies but our friends....we need each other. Businesses need us and we definitely need them. Our towns need them, schools need them. Look at cities where businesses have failed or left, the entire community suffers. We need a pro-business, pro-free enterprise, low corporate/small business tax candidate. It helps us all.
CB
8:00 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Sure we can 'stimulate' jobs by essentially taking everyone's money to buy "dig a ditch, then fill it in again" jobs... at an exorbitant cost, but why not create an environment where jobs create themselves? Sure Professor Warren, no one gets rich on his/her own but the "99%" can't have jobs without business. Stop penalizing them for being successful. It will only drive business away.....then everyone will suffer.
Fred
8:35 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Well-said, CB.
I'm voting for Brown because A, he genuinely seems like a nice, honest, guy, and B, he doesn't just toe the party line; he votes what he believes to be right. I'd say for a freshman Senator who's only been there two years he's had a huge impact.
Alicia Byrd
10:12 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Brown is cosponsoring a bill that would let any employer limit health insurance coverage for any thing they have a moral or religious objection to. Do you want employers to be able to limit coverage for vaccinations, blood transfusions, etc?
BenLaGuer
9:12 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Why should American citizens lose that rights as American citizens just because they choose to employee somebody?
Diana
10:21 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Alicia, can you post a link for that? I can't find the bill on the list of his sponsored or co-sponsored bills below, although I may be missing it because I don't know the name.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billsearch.xpd?sponsor=412384
Andrew Jeromski
10:26 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Video of Elizabeth Warren speaking about Scott Brown's cosponsorship of this bill at last night's Reading Dems Caucus on Reading Patch at 1 p.m.
Nancy
11:34 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
The bottom line for me is anyone who supports Elizabeth Warren supports the entitled occupiers.
Brandon Chapman
11:46 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
And the ironic part is that she's part of the so-called 1%. Despite her attempts to deny it....
Diana
11:42 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Erm... could you elaborate?
Judy Bode
11:53 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Let's get serious , you as a parent have a choice to send your child to A. University
of South Carolina , Georgia , Florida , Alabama . B. Harvard , MIT , Holy Cross, Clark
Think you might choose B. ? or Your Ill and you again can choose where to go to for treatment A. Boston Hospital's or B. Savanna, Richmond, Miami, etc.
Think you might choose A ? Attacking a candidate for their success in Education or
for being an elitist begs the Question . I would suggest that co-sponsoring the Blunt
Bill on Women's contraception was and will be an issue that will haunt Brown,
His political advisers dropped the Ball on That one . as a quick aside unlikely
Richard T will make that mistake . ( much to Bright ) Luck Cy
Diana
12:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Thanks for the name of the bill, Judy! Yeah, I don't understand why the Republicans have chosen such an obviously losing issue to hang their hats on. Newsflash: in 2012, women use birth control, and vote.
As for the "prestigious school = indoctrination" thing, I frankly roll my eyes and henceforth give that person's opinions all the consideration they merit. I've attended lectures at prestigious schools and I've watched Fox News, and I can tell you that I found the latter experience far more Clockwork Orangey.
Laura Savage-Carr
7:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Relax ladies, nobody is going to take your Pill away. In Massachusetts, we have conscience exemptions as part of the 2006 health care reform bill.
And, a famous Democrat...
In 1995, Kennedy’ introduced the “Affordable Health Care For All Americans Act” that included an identical Conscience Clause Exemption as the Blunt Amendment –both included a moral conviction clause. (S. 168, Introduced 1/5/95
TED KENNEDY: “A Health Professional Or A Health Facility May Not Be Required To Provide An Item Or Service Under A Certified Health Plan If The Professional Or Facility Objects To Doing So On The Basis Of A Religious Belief Or Moral Conviction.” (S. 168, Introduced 1/5/95)
In His 2009 Letter To Pope Benedict XVI, Senator Kennedy Expressed His Support For A Conscience Exemption. “I believe in a conscience protection for Catholics in the health care field and will continue to advocate for it as my colleagues in the Senate and I work to develop an overall national health policy that guarantees health care for everyone.” (David Gibson, “Ted Kennedy To Pope Benedict: ‘I Am Writing With Deep Humility…,’” Politics Daily, 8/29/09)
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Laura Savage-Carr
7:12 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Except in the cases when it's prescribed to treat a medical condition, why is contraception even covered by health insurance? It would be like having my auto policy cover oil changes for my car.
And it's not FREE, we all, well some of us, have to pay higher premiums for health insurance to cover it.
Diana
9:54 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Linda, you say that as though being a Democrat means that I think Democrats never have terrible ideas. I objected to that exemption as well. "I want to be a pharmacist, but not dispense birth control." Um... have you considered NOT being a pharmacist? Because that's part of the job.
Insurance companies cover birth control because it's cost-effective. Your auto insurance analogy is profoundly flawed, in that it only exists to cover accidents. Health insurance is about maintaining health, not just restoring it. You might as well ask "Why are annual physicals covered?"
Cheryl Buono
9:21 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Diana,
My company's healthcare policy covers IVF for lesbian couples. How does fertilizing a woman that otherwise could not get pregnant by her sexual orientation partnership, help control healthcare costs?
In general insurance is intended to cover catastrophes, accidents and other unplanned or unanticipated events. Healthcare insurance has become more of a service plan. Costs can’t be controlled under this model as people demand more and the government imposes more on the healthcare and insurance industries.
Diana
2:10 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Cheryl, your insurance presumably covers IVF for heterosexual couples as well, do you object to that?
Laura, apologies for calling you "Linda" the other day, not sure how I missed that.
Diana
11:56 am on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I agree that it's ridiculous for her to claim that she's not wealthy, but to suggest that anyone who supports her automatically supports Occupy is as silly as to suggest that anyone who supports Brown automatically supports nude modeling.
In the interest of full disclosure, I personally happen to find Occupy's goals entirely too vague for my taste, but don't understand the visceral hatred directed at them. If you truly believe that Occupy is the problem, I suggest that your anger may be misdirected. And if you truly believe that paying a greater percentage of taxes on your income than Mitt Romney does is just and fair, all can say is, well... how's that self-loathing working out for you?
Brandon Chapman
12:08 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I agree with your first paragraph. However, this devisive class warfare is just a typical campaign manuever of the left. Since when do we try to punish success in this country? Governor Romney paid the taxes that the law required, fairness has nothing to do with it.
There are winners and losers in a capitalist society. Just because someone "earns" two cookies doesn't mean you (the general you) deserve one of them
peter lucci
12:24 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Talk about a "typical campaign manuever", this one by the right, since when has there been a 50% tax rate as you have "claimed"?
Brandon Chapman
1:19 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Who said anything about a 50% tax rate?
Diana
9:57 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
50% of two cookies is one cookie.
Diana
12:43 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Of course taxes should be fair. Are you actually endorsing the idea of unfair taxation? And why is it that "class warfare" is only ever waged by the poor? Is there a different preferred term that we should use for the way the poor are routinely screwed by the rich?
Sigh. You know, just to save time, let's compile a list of terms that will make me automatically disregard you as having the intellectual capacity of a parrot: I reserve the right to add to it as we go.
class warfare
indoctrination
Harvard liberal
lamestream media (and likewise "faux news")
anything "elite" (ALL the people we're discussing here are elite)
Brandon Chapman
1:22 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
What's unfair? That capital gains is taxed at a different rate than earned income? And class warfare isn't waged by the poor, it's waged by politicians seeking to divide America.
Also, you've clearly shown your intellectual capacity by employing the time honored liberal tact of name calling when you're losing an argument.
Nancy
12:47 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Elizabeth Warren On Occupy Wall Street: I Created 'The Intellectual Foundation For What They Do'... from the most liberal news site... can't understand why anyone could associate themselves with that movement
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/elizabeth-warren-occupy-wall-street_n_1030974.html
Diana
1:26 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
There's plenty about Occupy that annoys me, from the too-vague goals mentioned above to the "Fight the power!!! - posted from my iPhone" aspect of it. But I'm happy to try to explain as best I can why people identify with it and associate themselves with it.
They believe that the CEO of a failed company who was already making several hundred times the salary of the average employee shouldn't float away unscathed on his golden parachute while those average employees lose their jobs and retirement funds. They believe that it's not reasonable that Mitt Romney pays a tax rate of 15% on the millions of dollars he "earned" while he slept, while they pay a tax rate of 25% on the much smaller amount of money that they had to actually put on pants, leave the house, and produce something to earn. They don't believe that it's reasonable to propose that the budget should be balanced by raising taxes on people poorer than the latter example, rather than richer than Romney. Most of all, they believe that the government needs to be reminded that they work for everyone, not just the ones who can afford lobbyists.
I can't see any of these beliefs as being wildly irrational. Frankly, I can't even see why they're controversial.
Nancy
12:51 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
@Diana is it fair that 50% of the country pays no income taxes and that 1% pays 40% off all income taxes collected?
Diana
1:35 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Nancy, I realize it's kinda mathy, but try to focus on percentage of individual income. You do realize that those who pay no taxes are so unbelievably poor that even a rapacious government thinks it best to leave the poor souls alone?
Do you think it's fair for me to pay a higher tax rate than Romney? This is a very simple and direct question.
Nancy
2:04 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
@ Diana I realize that a portion of that 50% are so poor they cant pay anything, but there is also a portion that can pay.
I will rephrase your question "Do I believe it's fair that capital gains are taxed at lower percentage than earned income"?
My answer is, yes I do believe its fair because the money invested that results in capital gains can be used to create jobs...the earned income is used to pay for the poor who pay no taxes.
This is the land of opportunity if you want it bad enough you can make it out of poverty, i know both of my parents did.
Diana
1:37 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Brandon, I didn't call you any names. The list was directed to a general "you". I'm just trying to have a discussion about what people actually THINK, instead of a repetition of the same inane catchphrases I could find on any other website in the world.
Yes, it is unfair in my opinion that capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than earned income. You're welcome to try to change my mind.
Karl Weld
2:23 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Capital gains (investment income/dividends) are paid out from what's left AFTER a company has already paid income tax on profits. So by taxing capital gains you are in essence taxing money that's already been taxed. To tax it twice as income instead of once as income and once at the lower capital gains rate would pull money out of the market faster than you can say Internal Revenue Service. Companies would loose a ton of capital and then you can kiss any job creation good-bye. That's why capital gains is taxed at a lower rate. Just because someone's "income" is derived from capital gains isn't a bad thing. Their money is in the market working to help fund company operations, you know, paying salaries and benefits to employees and paying for materials and supplies to make the company's products or services. It's called capitalism. And it works. Managed economies fail, spectacularly (see: U.S.S.R.).
Diana
2:26 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
"My answer is, yes I do believe its fair because the money invested that results in capital gains can be used to create jobs...the earned income is used to pay for the poor who pay no taxes."
Nancy, I can't parse this, can you please clarify? Are you under the impression that income is taxed based on what it might potentially be used for rather than how it comes about? If I win the lottery and promise to create a bunch of jobs should I get the capital gains tax rate rather than the gambling winnings tax rate?
Nancy
2:41 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Karl explained it perfectly, thank you Karl.
Diana
2:32 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Karl, how does that argument apply to individual capital gains?
Karl Weld
3:21 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I invest $1.00 in Spacely Sprockets. Spacely Sprockets takes my dollar, and the dollars of other investors, and through good management and high employee productivity becomes the market leader in sprockets. My $1.00 is now worth $3.00 and I decide to cash out. I have a capital gain of $2.00. That $2.00 comes from Spacely Sprockets, not the Tooth Fairy. Spacely Sprockets pays me from it's profits, which have already been taxed at the corporate rate of 39%. So they have less "profit" now because Uncle Sugar has taken his chunk. But they still have to pay me. Uncle Sugar wants his chunk of my $2.00 as well. But as an incentive to invest again, he "only" takes 15% instead of my earned income rate of 28%. So the money that is my gain has already been taxed at the corporate rate. Once it gets in my hands, it gets taxed again at the capital gains rate. Double taxed. But at least it's taxed at a lower rate the second time. Brandon is right, Uncle Sugar is "rewarding" my risk of investment with a lower tax rate in the hopes that I will continue to invest, maybe in Acme next time. Obscenely rich people are obscenely rich because they have the amount of money to make investment an income source. Sometimes that's luck, sometimes shrewd business sense, and most times extremely hard work to get there.
Brandon Chapman
2:58 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
The lower rate for individuals has the added bonus of incentivizing investors to put their money into the system. Without investment the economy would grind to a halt. Some people see the 15% rate and think it favors the wealthy, but remember that no investment is guaranteed to be successful. In addition to the double taxing Karl mentioned, the "reward" for the risk is a lower tax rate
Diana
3:09 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Isn't the reward for risk supposed to be winning? Hey, there are winners and losers in a capitalistic society. ;)
What would you think about a graduated tax on capital gains, like there is on earned income? That would go a long way toward convincing me that it's not designed to favor the wealthy.
Karl Weld
3:31 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Capital gains are taxed at a flat 15%. It's not designed to favor the wealthy. Your $100 gain costs you $15 in tax. My $1,000 gain costs me $150. You have $85 left. I have $850. But I had to put more in to get more out. A flat rate is the fairest rate because everyone pays an equitable rate.
Webster's
Synonyms of fair: just, equitable, impartial, unbiased, dispassionate, objective. Means free from favor toward either or any side.
Bob
3:56 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I think Karl is over-simplifying his capital gains explanation a little.
In most cases, a flat rate on the capital gains is fair. But it isn't always fair. Hedge fund managers and private equity managers (like Mitt Romney) are able to consider nearly all their income capital gains, even though their company fronts the initial investment, not them. As individuals, they are only getting taxed once. This is especially egregious since they make boatloads of money.
But there are a lot of middle class people who chose to save through investment. What if one of these people were to take out a large sum of money to buy a home? Or pay college tuition? It isn't fair for them to have to pay a higher tax because they saved their money and are paying for something they need.
A graduated tax on capital gains isn't the answer, it has to be more nuanced.
Karl Weld
12:56 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Bob, that's part of the problem. Taxation needs to be simplified. I should be able to give an easy-to-understand explanation to Diana. Something as easy as taxing income (of various sorts) has become so complicated with the page after page of credits, subsidies, loopholes and outright dodges that no one can understand the darn tax code. The fact that it takes an army of accountants and lawyers to figure all this out should outrage everyone, regardless of income level. Simplifying the tax code should be a simple thing, if our representatives had any backbone and political courage to tell the lobbyists from both sides of the aisle to go pound sand. If the tax code were simplified, about $5 billion could be freed up for other, more productive uses.
Brandon Chapman
3:22 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Technically there already is. Not only are the rates dependent upon how long an investment is held, but there are different rates per income bracket as well. As a matter of fact the hated "Bush tax cuts" set a 0% cap gains rate for the 2 lowest income brackets
Diana
3:41 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Short term is graduated (and also taxed at a higher rate), long term is not (I don't consider 0>25 for infinity to be "graduated").
Karl Weld
3:58 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Tax policy is hard. Generally speaking, if you tax something more you get less of it. People invest in tax-free municipal bonds not out of the goodness of their heart. They invest in them because they're tax-free with a solid rate of return.
peter lucci
4:09 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
What % of large corporations / conglomerates are paying "Uncle Sugar" anywhere close to the top corporate rate of 39%? We all know that is not happening very often, would like to see some stats from a neutral source.
Diana
4:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Thank you, Bob and Karl. Karl, I'm not trying to be obtuse, but can you help me to understand how the individual investor in your Sprocket example is being double taxed? Feel free to break it down like I'm a challenged kindergartner, because I am admittedly not numbers-oriented.
Karl Weld
5:11 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Diana, I'm saying the money is taxed twice, not the investor. Once at the corporate rate and once at the capital gains rate. Spacely pays the tax at the corporate level (unless he has a really good lobbyist get a few sprockets tax credits). And the investor with the gain gets taxed on some of the same money when it becomes a gain for that investor. Think of it this way. You die. Your estate will now be taxed under the "Death Tax". But everything there is after-tax income. It's already been taxed when it was income. Now it's taxed again. Once when it was your (Spacely's) income and now again when it's your family's (investor's) gain.
Brandon Chapman
4:15 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I personally think Governor Romney's proposal of eliminating all cap gains taxes on people making less than $200k (and keeping the rates the same for those making more) is a good start in settling Bob's middle class concerns
Bob
4:30 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
It really wouldn't, actually. I want to see a differentiation between people paying a capital gains tax on savings and people paying it on income.
Not to mention a tax cut like that is not what we need when we desperately have to pay for our crumbling infrastructure and increasingly mediocre public schools.
DannyBoy
4:19 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
So, what is a "fair" rate for taxing corporations? 30%? 25%? Or less?
Even if the government imposed a smaller tax rate on corporations, who is to say that these companies (especially the multinational ones) won't try to get around paying taxes by finding loopholes? Just think about GE not paying ONE CENT of taxes to the Feds in 2010, even though they made BILLIONS in profits. Read the article here:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/general-electric-paid-federal-taxes-2010/story?id=13224558
Karl Weld
5:17 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Which is why tax reform is absolutely necessary. In exchange for a lower tax rate you eliminate all the credits and deductions and other loopholes. Now tax accountants would cry foul because they'd be out of a job, but simplifying the tax code would free up the $5 billion/year spent on filing taxes to be spent on other things.
Diana
4:36 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Bob, you sound suspiciously reasonable. Are you new to the internet? ;)
Brandon Chapman
4:37 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Ok, I stand corrected and I understand your position. I'd argue that a tax cut like that is exactly what we need to address the bigger problems, which are jobs and the economy. It's not hyperbolic to say that many small businesses fall under the $200k threshold, so I think a cut would provide a great shot in the arm for them to expand and hire people.
Bob
5:03 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Small businesses already have a capital gains tax exemption thanks to the Small Business Jobs Act, passed in 2010.
Diana
5:21 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Thanks Karl (I wish there were a way to respond directly to your post, someone please tell me if there is and I'm missing it), that's what I thought, and that seems fine to me. Money is taxed when it changes hands, because that's the point at which it becomes "income". Calling it a "death tax" implies that I'm being taxed for dying, which is clearly not the case. My heirs are being taxed on incoming funds.
I have the right to not be taxed twice on the same money. Money has no rights, we can tax it as many times as we like.
Karl Weld
5:35 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
When I reply to your comment I first click the reply button in your "box". If you want to reply to my reply, you click the reply button in YOUR original comment box and your reply will follow mine. I think.
You are correct. Money has no rights, and we can tax it as often as we choose. But some would argue that at what point do you stop taxing it because it's counter-productive. The government has shown repeatedly that, no matter which party is in control, that it can and will spend its revenue wisely and efficiently. Hence our $16 trillion in debt and upwards of $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. Giving the Feds more money will not solve anything. That's why there's such a fight over taxes. Personally, if I could be certain that every addition nickle in tax revenue would be used to pay down the debt, I would be willing to see my taxes go up, simply because I don't want my kids and grandkids to have to pick up the tab for what my father's and my generation have binged on. But that will never happen. So I'll keep my own money thank you.
Karl Weld
5:36 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Woops, meant to say the government CAN'T and WON'T spend wisely and efficiently.
Brandon Chapman
5:28 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
Bob that exemption is for investments in certain small businesses, not by small businesses
Daniel Marcella
11:10 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
I would also add that Scott Brown is a Lieutenant Colonel in the National Guard, and has trained in Afghanistan. This is far more commendable (in my opinion anyway) than professing "law" at Harvard. The university banned the ROTC from campus some 40+ years ago (during the Vietnam War, naturally) and has JUST recently allowed them back on campus.
Judy Bode
11:40 pm on Thursday, February 16, 2012
His training was for 8 days , there are many young men and women who spent 2 and 3 deployments under fire their stay would normally be for 8 Mo to 14 Mo. each time,
again not 8 days . Hate to burst your bubble but that was a political gimmick and if
you think not please tell me who else went for an 8 day visit , Biden as an example ( Lawyer ) spent I believe 9 mo. in country. Brown in my opinion is not a class act.
Diana
12:36 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between law and "law"? I'm admittedly not an attorney or a professor, so I'm unfamiliar with the nuances.
DannyBoy
12:50 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Diana,
Daniel was being sarcastic when writing the word law between double quotes.
Karl Weld
12:52 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
What's the old saying? Those who can do. Those who can't teach. :-D
Scott has(d) his own law practice as well as his work as a JAG attorney. Whereas Ms. Warren is teaching law. Perhaps that's the distinction referenced above? Just guessing.
Diana
1:10 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Oh. And here I thought it was the all-too-common use of "scare quotes" to convey skepticism in the absence of actual argument.
Karl, that's a stupid saying that disregards the skills required to educate. No one has ever made themselves sound smart by expressing contempt for education.
Karl Weld
1:21 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Diana, my wife is a former teacher. I have a high regard for the profession because I know what a truly thankless job it can be at times. No disparagement from me on that front. I was just bringing up that old saw because I thought that was what the "" were about. Note to self: sometimes it's OK to keep your yap shut.
Diana
1:38 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Karl, I was disparaging the saying, not assuming you were endorsing it, or directing my last sentence at you. If I were, I'd have said "no one". ;)
Sorry for any confusion. :)
CB
8:33 am on Friday, February 17, 2012
Judy, Scott Brown has been in the armed services since 1984, most of his time in the JAG. He's an armed services attorney not a machine-gunner.
Regarding your comment about schools. My answer would be, go public! Harvard is a label, a name brand. It's worth something in the real world, I'll give you that but the information is the same. Education is what you make of it. I'm not just spouting, I teach medical students and residents at Harvard and the best residents are from public medical schools, by far. Harvard is a name and going there doesn't necessarily make you a better student, better graduate, or better person. When Sallie Mae comes knocking, you'll be wishing you went to a public school!
BTW, many southern hospitals are leaders in medical therapeutics and research: UAB, Vanderbilt, Tulane etc...
Judy Bode
6:42 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Let's try again Staff Officers don't get assigned to a war zone for 8 days for obvious reasons , one being cost to fly to and back , second unless there is a very needed skill
for a particular operation won't happen . Jag are a dime a dozen , That assignment was requested by the Senator not by the Pentagon and again for Political gain
must have really impressed Mothers and Fathers who have greeted their sons and daughters when returning from a combat deployment for a year or more that Scott was on TV shown meeting his wife at the Airport . I'm well aware he's not a machine gunner , I'm confident his skill with a rifle, Mortar, etc are as well somewhat lacking. If one looks at the Teaching Staff both Public and Public
The Academic requirements to attend Ivy as opposed to Public , that might explain why people get excited when one of theirs are accepted to Harvard and not as
much when their child is accepted to U Mass Boston . There is no doubt that
Hard work can and often will open many doors in Business etc. but its much like
Players drafted in football as opposed to free agents , on occasion a free agent rises to the top, 30 to 40 drafted players get there. Look at Harvard on the Med and Law side ( Supreme Court ) That might indicate where the Rubber hits the Road.
Luck Cy Bode
on education , health issues you really believe there is equality
michelle leo
12:03 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Karl "is over simplyfing it"? he is dead on about the capital gains.The best I have read so far. Everyone please give Brown more time, heck we gave some political families generations......
Ron Sen
12:55 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
I spent a decade at Bethesda Naval Hospital caring for patients, including elected officials and Supreme Court members (SecNav designees). Politicians of all stripes will pretty much say or do anything to meet the prime directive, "get re-elected". The hatchet job on Max Cleland and the Virginia campaign against war hero Lewis Puller are testimony to that. Everything is posturing...sad, indeed.
BenLaGuer
4:25 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
How do you feel about "grannyscare" tactics?
Laura Savage-Carr
7:44 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Time was when healthcare prevention was associated with smoke-cessation, dieting and exercise to avoid preventable diseases such as heart attacks, cancer and strokes. With the HHS mandate requiring contraception coverage under all insurance programs, including religious organizations, pregnancy has now moved into the realm of preventable disease.
What a great society that we live in that considers pregnancy a disease that can be prevented with a pill and “treated” with another pill.
You’ve come a long way baby!
CB
10:45 pm on Friday, February 17, 2012
Judy, I'm simply saying Harvard is 1 part educational institution and 1 part Hollywood sensationalism. There is nothing magical about the place. Its a mistake to assume you are automatically a success because you attend or that it's always the best move to accept an offer if you also get into the University of Vermont or UNH. I see their product everyday and I've yet to be wowed. Now, I would feign ignorance while simultaneously trying to send the message that I'm smarter than everyone, but Diana already does that so well. Geez, I'll make sure to triple check my use of coined phrases and punctuation. I fear her wrath and public ridicule, heh :)
Diana
2:19 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Why would I feign ignorance when I have actual ignorance? There's no shame in not knowing everything, and when I have a question I ask. I have a process, you see. Have question > Seek information > Learn stuff > Form (and occasionally even change) opinion. It's not rocket surgery. ;)
Of course, the "law" thing was clearly snark, but scare quotes are the cheapest of rhetorical tools and are worthy of nothing but snark. The easiest way to avoid ridicule by not being ridiculous.
CB
1:03 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Generally speaking, responses that just contain invective but are void of content, ideas, facts or logic are not valuable. Rarely, they can be perceived as witty or inventive, but usually they leave the opposite impression. Snarkiness is also a little Axis II. If you try, I'm sure you can figure out how to get your point across without being snarky.
Diana
2:24 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
I generally agree, but if you really feel that way, I'm a little curious as to why you'd pick my posts in particular to object to when this thread is strewn with exactly what you describe.
I believe the inability to appreciate humor is also an Axis II indicator, fyi. I will, of course, give your diagnosis the consideration it merits.
CB
2:36 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Good point. I may have totally misinterpreted your messages. I did appreciate the humor (actually kinda funny). Just dont want people to be afraid to post because their comments might be dissected for sentence structure and grammar when they just want to contribute. Aren't we all a little Axis II? :)
Diana
3:00 pm on Monday, February 20, 2012
Heh. No worries. Also yes, given how broad Axis II is. :)
That said, although I admit to being a language nazi, I wasn't picking on Dan's grammar or sentence structure. I was picking on him for not only using a cheap rhetorical stunt, but using it incorrectly. Repeatedly. Until it made me twitch.
I'm all for everyone posting and a lively discussion, but I refuse to pretend that all opinions or all methods of expressing them are equally deserving of respect. That would be like, well.. like intellectual communism. ;)
Tim
7:30 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
First, Scott Brown received a lot of money from Texas and other states in the special election. I know personally of people in Texas who sent him money just because they don't like the influence that Massachusetts has in national politics. Having Republicans in the Senate benefits the national Republican agenda (which obviously benefits interests in oil and other interests in Texas). Secondly, Scott Brown is a lawyer, educated at Tufts and Boston College. To suggest that he is not part of the "elite" that conservatives love to bash is odd. It's a bit like suggesting Mitt Romney, who is worth $250 million, is "just a regular guy." Yeah, right, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!
Enrique
10:15 am on Saturday, February 18, 2012
As a working man I couldn't even afford to pay Warrens real estate taxes on her home in Cambridge, nevermind the mortage. She could care less about the working family and you people know this but keep voting for people who hurt America.
Anne Justice
12:24 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Enrique,
How many poor politicians do you know in either party? Are you saying that her wealth has to do with how much she cares about working families?
Could you afford to pay Scott Brown'sreal estate taxes or mortgage?
Enrique
12:51 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
You can support Warren all you want. I dont like her or what she stands for. Have you read about what she did to protect the insurance companies at the expense of people who were hurt?
Anne Justice
1:31 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Enrique,
Three questions were asked.Why didn't you answer any? I did not say who I supported.Why wouldn't you just answer the questions? Maybe I support Brown but I wonder what you mean by your statements reguarding someones wealth.
Enrique
2:26 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Who do you think you are talking to? I'm not one of your kids so mind your tone
Anne Justice
4:55 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
Huh??? Seriously, that's your response. Thank you for such a mature answer. Bless your heart.:)
Jan Paulsen
5:47 pm on Saturday, February 18, 2012
As for the so-called Conscience Exemption: I would support it if the organizations that claim it would be willing to forego accepting Federal funds. As long as they are getting money from the government, they need to conform to the same laws as do the others who get this money. The question here is: how much is their "conscience" worth? and the other question is: how deep are their religious convictions?
Charles Towne
6:16 am on Sunday, February 19, 2012
JP, you hit on Obama's plan. Force the private religious hospitals out of business. The rest will fall in line and then you'll get rationed healthcare along with death panels. The ironic thing is then your only option will be to pray to get better.
Diana
2:20 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I'd like to amend my previous list to include "death panels."
Guido Sarducci
1:36 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
So Willard Romney, Dubya, and Bielat all went to Harvard, how come that's NEVER mentioned or held against them? It's only democrats who attended Harvard are ''elite''? Warren didn't attend Harvard she teaches there. It's unbelievable that going to Harvard is somehow something a democrat should be ashamed of , it's mind blowing how having a great education is something the right considers unAmerican.
DannyBoy
3:55 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
You got a point, Guido. Somehow, these people get a pass from the right for attending Harvard, because they are GOP. The hypocrisy is just mind-boggling. And we should not hold a person's background in higher education against them.
Judy Bode
1:51 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
I rather liked the Sunday Globe cartoon
Humor so often hit's the mark
Cy Bode
Guido Sarducci
2:54 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
The Herald is doing so good that it gets printed by the Globe. They moved all their production to a non UNION sweatshop in Chicopee. The Herald will be gone long before the Globe. But I hope not because we need 2 newspapers. And what will all you wingnuts ''read''? I think Cowie Harr wrote a column on ''hacks'' today , democratic hacks of coarse, because we all know that there are NO republican hacks ?
Diana
3:17 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Dan, she's an actual professor. Do you just not understand the proper use of quotation marks?
Charles Towne
3:49 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Jeremy Lin went to Harvard.
Charles Towne
3:49 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Jeremy Lin went to Harvard.
Diana
3:51 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Of course he would, he went to Yale. :)
Kudos on the correct use of quotation marks, though.
peter lucci
4:52 pm on Sunday, February 19, 2012
Aw shucks that's too bad, you were so "entertaining"!!!