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Poll: Do You Want Wal-Mart in Somerville?

Wal-Mart has announced plans to bring a grocery store to Somerville. Some community organizers have begun to rally forces against the company. Where do you stand?

 

To date, Wal-Mart, the world's biggest company, known for it's warehouse-sized stores and low prices, has not filed a permit indicating its intention to bring a grocery store to Assembly Square.

Media reports, however, indicate the retail giant plans to open a Walmart Neighborhood Market, which is a grocery store, in the old Circuit City building, near Home Depot.

Already, a coalition of local groups against Wal-Mart has begun to organize. The coalition, called The Somerville Coalition for a Responsible Walmart, held a public meeting for the first time Wednesday night

Not everyone in Somerville is necessarily against Wal-Mart opening a grocery store here. One Somerville Patch reader commented on the site, "There is nothing wrong with healthy competition … We need another discount grocery store in Somerville."

Many people are passionate about Wal-Mart. What about you?

  • Do you want Wal-Mart to open a grocery story in Somerville?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes. They have good prices and I'll probably shop there on occasion.
        471 (41%)
    • No. Over my dead body.
        602 (53%)
    • Not sure. I'm on the fence about Wal-Mart, but I'm open to the idea.
        60 (5%)
    Total votes: 1133
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: The Somerville Coalition for a Responsible Walmart and Wal-Mart

Carol

6:49 am on Friday, November 18, 2011

I am truly at a loss wondering why anyone would be opposed to WalMart Grocery store coming to Somerville in a vacant building next to Home Depot. It's a great location.
People complain that they can't get to it by foot? Bet they get to Home Depot when they need to and got to Circuit City when they were open. The same people would complain if it was too close to their house or in a residential neighborhood. People say they don't treat their employees well. Do they really think Walmart is any different than any other large business when it comes to "employee" etiquette? These people complain that it will put the small grocery stores in the area out of business.
Bottom line....The city should welcome Walmart with open arms. In an economy like this we should not turn this store away if it indeed wants to open here assuring jobs and good prices. Everyone wants to get good quality name brand food for a lower price than you can get at Shaws and S & S. If you are concerned about their labor practices don't apply for a job there and don't shop there......its that simple. Don't try to tell the me and the rest of the city this is not what "we" want or need here. Just go about your business and shop at the stores "you" want to shop at and keep those corner grocery stores and the Shaws and S&S in business. If Walmart is turned away, that site will soon look like the old Star Market lot on Winter Hill because the "coalition" will oppose anything that tries to lease it.

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Melissa McWhinney

9:42 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

But why should Somerville settle? Why is the only choice WalMart or nothing? Yes, we need more access to affordable fruits and vegetables, but I would like to know that the people working at the store have reasonable wages and benefits. There's a store called Produce Junction outside Philadelphia where my mother shops. It has unbelievable prices on produce; avocados 3/$1, huge heads of amazingly fresh romaine 2/$1, navel oranges 10/$1. You get the idea. The produce is beautifully fresh, although not organic. Someone is going to the Philly produce market at 3 in the morning, picking up crates, and bringing them to the store. The store isn't at all fancy; the produce is already bagged, so you have to buy two heads of romaine; you can't get just one. There are no baggers or bags; you carry your produce out in a cartboard crate that had produce in it just hours ago. Very low-tech, very basic. Just lots and lots of very cheap, very fresh, fruits and vegetables. And the workers are well-paid and happy! So rather than settle for Walmart, can't someone entrepreneurial make this happen? He or she will make a good living, the workers will make a good living, we'll all have better diets for less money, and what money is spent will stay here in the Somerville area instead of going out of state. That's what I want, and it's what I hope Somerville will hold out for, instead of settling for Walmart.

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rjean

11:56 am on Saturday, November 19, 2011

The LAST thing Somerville needs is another grocery store that promotes the mass-produced, boxed preservatives and additives agrifood that most Americans eat AND takes the income out of the local economy. Maybe Whole Foods or Trader Joe's is a bad fit for the neighborhood because of price point, but is WalMart truly the alternative? Yes, we need jobs and infrastructure and business investment, but not a Corporate Grocery Store. I'm with Melissa: Somerville needs an alternative to WalMart. Fresh food, locally owned if not locally grown, staffed by local people, contributing to the local economy.

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Donna Lang-Matos

2:21 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

My comment ended up in the wrong place.It was suppose to post as a reply to Carol,which I posted "Amen".As I agree with everything she has to say.We NEED A WALMART HERE.I am tired to of going to either Lynn or Reading,as those are the closest Walmarts to us as it stands now.

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Somerville Home Owner

10:00 am on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

Donna: The proposal is for a Walmart grocery store... not a full blown Walmart.

Somerville Home Owner

10:10 am on Friday, November 18, 2011

Carol: I understand and agree with mostly everything you said. However, one opposing opinion that resonates with me is that Walmart is known for using predatory pricing schemes to put local competition out of business. So although Walmart may bring more jobs and more choices at first, the end result may be fewer jobs and fewer choices when other competitors are out of business.

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tricia chatwood

11:17 am on Friday, November 18, 2011

Maybe you have a good income and have a great car to get to places like the faraway discount stores but there are alot of low income families who don't have cars to get to the faraway discount stores. I think it would be grerat for a Walmart store to come to Somerville. It would bring more people to the city to shop just like the Christmas Tree store did. Now people can go and get great bargains and they don't have to worry about getting there and just enjoy getting a bargain at a great store. Stop thinking about yourself and think about how many low income families occupy the city of Somerville and how it woulkd be great for us.

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Kelly H

3:42 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

but its only a wal mart grocery store. The prices generally aren't any better than what you can get at market basket anyhow.

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Ron Newman

3:42 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

but how will this location serve "families who don't have cars"? Just try walking there from any other part of Somerville ...

julie katz

12:18 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

1st,your "Poll" is a perfect example of bias. By giving "no" voters no choice than "over my dead body," you characterize "no" voters as fanatics.You're not kidding this is not a scientific poll!
To those who don't understand what the big deal is about, spend a few moments finding out. Most of us have better things to do than to fight the largest retailer IN THE WORLD. None of us was born opposing Walmart; we learned about them & the communities they have affected. Ghost towns, mostly.Towns downriver from stores dumping toxic waste. States whose Medicaid expenses grow as Walmart jobs increase; it is company strategy to get the State to pay workers' health insurance. The company does not provide it, nor do the wages it pays enable people to purchase it for themselves or their families. They do not, will not buy U.S. made products to sell, & factory conditions in developing countries are appalling. Not only do they pay poverty wages, they subject workers to practices illegal in the U.S. for a century.
Cities and towns all over the country have organized opposition to Walmart. They have fought hard, and they have won. I think it's important to understand why.

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Ron Newman

3:45 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

If the Walmart grocery does open here, I doubt many of its products will be made in foreign factories. The proposal is for a food store, not a full-sized Walmart.

RevMolly

12:41 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

Some of us are ok with the idea of Walmart coming to town, IF they conform to the kinds of standards we in Somerville expect of anyone wanting to do business here. It's true that they will bring jobs--but the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior, and in every other place Walmart has come in, for every two jobs they bring, three people in that area lose their jobs. Walmart isn't interested in helping people who struggle to feed their families. They are interested in making more money for their executives, that's it. Something like 6 of the world's 10 richest people are Walmart executives or family members, while Walmart's workers need to go on food stamps or medicaid, even working full time.

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Amanda Kersey

12:54 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

RevMolly, thank you (and everyone else) for your input. I'd like learn what you (and anyone else here) believe are acceptable work standards for Somerville residents. Is it the availability of health insurance from an employer, $15 an hour, etc? Also, I wasn't living in Somerville when Target arrived, but I'm curious to see if anyone has any anecdotes about how it might have affected other businesses.

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Ron Newman

3:47 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

Amanda, Target replaced Bradlees, which was a similar store with similar merchandise (but a regional chain rather than a national one).

Trisha

1:13 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

Yes. Yes. Yes and please poll yes

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Somerville Home Owner

4:02 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

tricia chatwood: I don't know if your comment was directed at me, but if so... I was thinking of the lower income families. The short term might be lower prices, but the long term is fewer jobs... which means prices will not be low enough for those unemployed.

RevMolly: Several WalMart execs are on the Forbes billionaires list, but I think only 1 has made the top 10 richest. Several have made the top 25 though.
http://www.forbes.com/wealth/billionaires/list

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Carol

8:09 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

Has anyone ever checked into the labor practices, wages and benefits that our local small businesses pay their employees? You know, the businesses that you are concerned that will be put out of business when WALMART Grocery moves in. Their employees are sometimes working more than 40 hrs per week with no o.t and no benefits. They will probably be lucky to even make minimum wage. These are also the people that also need a Walmart Grocery store in Somerville to feed their families.

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julie katz

9:43 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

Carol, your point is well-taken. In Davis Sq, chain stores pay minimum- one w/ policy of NO raises.Work conditions are abhorrent. No security. Restaurant workers' exposure to high heat, noxious fumes, unvented smoke etc. prob violate OSHA standards. And how many recycle? In a city proud of its Living Wage Ordinance we have dropped the ball big time. I'd love to shine light on many local employers but again, many are large chains who don't get rich by accident, but by low labor costs & discriminatory practices of all kinds. I must often balance my conscience & my convenience-I feel goods from CVS,Tedeschi & Dollar Store R tainted. Problem is, problem w/ WM isn't limited to labor practices. Not enough space here to elaborate, but as luck wd have it, a story in todays Huff.Post by a Rap Star explains it very well & includes link to important documentary abt. Walmart. Everyone in S'ville needs to see it- with language translators. Hard to argue w/ evidence. Please check this out: "http://www.huffingtonpost.com/headroc/walmart-is-the1percent_b_1102053.html"; We need the facts vs. WM's infamous propoganda campaigns. Most of us have no idea the hidden costs of WM's cheap prices.

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Andy Pyman

9:50 pm on Friday, November 18, 2011

I agree the poll options are worded poorly. The for and against are strikingly different in tone.

They have good prices and I'll probably shop there on occasion
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Over my dead body

While some of the 'no' voters possibly feel that strongly, there is a big leap that needs to be made to get from something like, "I don't think it's a good idea because..." to "over my dead body."

If you're going that route with the 'No' vote, the 'Yes' should be something like: "Would kill to make it happen."

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Jennifer

8:30 am on Saturday, November 19, 2011

I think that under a thriving economy communities can be more stringent on who comes town. In todays tough economy and considering unemployement, we should be more open to private businesses who want to spend their private dollars (no gov or tax dollars). Yes WalMart isnt ideal but they will create jobs from the moment they buy the land. Which is another empty lot, just like the one in Winter Hill. An empty lot does nothing if not takes away from the comunity. Have other businesses tried to purchase the space? Also let your dollars speak, if you dont like it dont shop there or work there. Do date I have done my holiday shopping at all local business but it doesnt mean people shouldnt have the choice to shop at big box stores. I dont like Wal-Mart but I think people should make their own decisions on where they shop

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Somerville Home Owner

12:21 pm on Saturday, November 19, 2011

Rjean: sounds good in theory but try achieving that at lower prices than trader joes. If u can do that then u will have one very successful business. Good luck.

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Ken Long

8:38 pm on Saturday, November 19, 2011

I'll still shop at Market Basket. They have excellent produce and great prices, but I'll certainly give WalMart a look. As far as I am concerned if people want to shop there and like the products thats their business, likewise if people want to work there and accept the wages that's also their business.
Can it really be any worse than Bradley's was, or the Assembly Sq K-Mart?

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Somerville Home Owner

9:34 pm on Saturday, November 19, 2011

I think Market Basket is very competitive.

Joe Grafton

9:40 am on Sunday, November 20, 2011

Interesting how there was a spike of over 100 votes for Yes over a saturday night to sunday morning

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Carol

11:27 am on Sunday, November 20, 2011

Yes I noticed that from Friday night going into Saturday. It was a huge spike. I am pretty sure its the same people who keep voting NO when they log on. I think people are wise enough not to trust that poll.

Melitta King

12:50 pm on Sunday, November 20, 2011

Walmart has some serious issues with how they treat their female employees; low wages, lack of benefits, unable to move up, limit on # of hours. I do think Somerville should protect against that. If people don't stand up against them (and the US Justices won't) then it's up to the local government to protect their people.

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Shawn Moran

10:42 pm on Sunday, November 20, 2011

Competition drives prices down.Obviously it is up to city to keep an eye on their activities.

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David

10:53 am on Monday, November 21, 2011

In the same vein as "Freedom isn't free", Walmart's cheap prices don't come cheap. It is counterintuitive that paying more at the register may be in one's long-term interest, but seems to be true. It is a matter of contrasting two business models and their comprehensive effects, not just immediate prices. For anyone taking this paradox seriously I highly recommend the film, "WALMART: the high cost of low price", see http://www.walmartmovie.com/ Walmart achieves SOME of its cost reductions through efficiencies of scale and it is arguable that this is a net gain to the economy. If the company were worker-owned, and community-friendly, the savings would be returned to the communities and we all would indeed be better off. Unfortunately Walmart has fought tooth-and-nail against implementing values that most of us in Somerville treasure (fairness, safety, opportunity, transparency). I would love Walmart to grow into a "good actor" but they show no signs of this beyond propaganda. Wise people learn from others' mistakes. Show me any community whose local economy is stronger since Walmart's arrival. For the foreseeable future we must say 'no' to Walmart in Somerville.

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Mary Norcross

2:22 pm on Wednesday, April 4, 2012

What about a Market Basket in the space. It is popular and local and ow cost.

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jamoccaldi

5:47 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Please no walmart , at least not in the area being talked about. The traffic will be brutal. That strip of road just can't handle the amount of people who will flood in from Somerville, Cambridge, Everret, Medford, Arlington, ect. ect.

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C Reichert

11:06 pm on Saturday, April 21, 2012

This New York Times article sums up my misgivings about Walmart. They only care about growth, the community and corruption be-damned!
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/22/business/at-wal-mart-in-mexico-a-bribe-inquiry-silenced.html?hp

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mplo

8:45 am on Wednesday, June 20, 2012

As a 24-year Somerville resident, I am one of the nay-sayers when it comes to having any kind of Wal*Mart Store coming to our city. Their food is shoddy, their labor policies horrendous, and the damage that Wal*Mart has inflicted on communities that it's moved into is enormous. It's the biggest independent business killer that there is, and there's a good possibility that it would put other grocery stores/markets around here out of business.

I suggest that the proponents of a Wal*Mart grocery store coming into Somerville rent the DVD of t he film "Wal*Mart--The High Cost of Low Pricing", a documentary film that gives excellent insight as to the abusive labor policies, bad food, as well as shoddy merchandise, not to mention extremely long hours, and no benefits, unless one goes on welfare.

I also might add that Wal*Mart decided against moving into Somerville, because they know they're not welcome. Most people don't want them, and with ample reasons.

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