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Patrick: We Need to Increase Income Tax to Invest in Our Future

Tell us: do you think we need to increase taxes to strengthen education and transportation?

 

In his State of the Commonwealth address on Wednesday night, Gov. Deval Patrick proposed raising the state's income tax by 1 percentage point and lowering the sales tax to pay for $2 billion in transportation improvements and early childhood education programs. 

"There is no good time to raise taxes. I know how tough the times have been on the people and families of the Commonwealth. And though the worst of the recession is over, many, many families still face tough decisions and have deep anxiety about the future. I would not ask if I did not believe in my heart that investing meaningfully today in education and transportation will significantly improve our economic tomorrows," Patrick said.

Patrick said he wanted a more fair and comprehensive tax system that lowers the sales tax to 4.5 percent and raises the income tax to 6.25 percent. He added that he wants the proceeds to be dedicated to a public works fund that will support the transportation plan. 

"Under my plan, sales tax proceeds would be off limits for any other purpose," Patrick said.

To make the burden lighter on those who make less money, the governor said he'd like to double the personal exemptions and eliminate a number of itemized deductions.

The proposed tax hike seeks to pay for $2 billion in education and transportation improvement the governor wants.

The education spending would include funding high-quality early education and K-12 education, investment in public colleges and universities, and the re-invigoration of the MassGrants scholarship program.

For transportation improvements, the governor envisions "a bus or subway that came on time, was safe and comfortable and ran until a student at UMass Boston or a worker in a downtown tower finished up at 1 or 2 in the morning." He also spoke of faster commuter rails, a Green Line that went to Medford, commuter lines that reached the western part of the state and an improved highway system. 

"The people we work for want the schools I have described; they want the rail and road services we have laid out; and above all they want the opportunity and growth these investments will bring. We on their behalf have choices to make. I choose growth," Patrick said.

What do you think? Is the choice between higher taxes and growth, and lower taxes and stagnation? Do you support the tax increase? Tell us in the comments below.

Related Topics: Deval Patrick, Education Spending, Income tax, Massachusetts Department of Elementary and Secondary Education, Massachusetts Department of Transportation, Sales Tax, State of the Commonwealth, and Transportation Spending

Jonathan Ciampa

7:53 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

When we tried to eliminate the sales tax, we were bombarded with political spots from every union and government organization in the Commonwealth spewing doom and gloom scenarios. If all the sales tax funds go to transportation won't they be facing the same terrible circumstances? Unemployment, massive classroom sizes, decreased services, children left homeless on the streets, etc?

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Kevin MacDonald

8:20 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

1% of the sales tax goes toward the Massachusetts School Building Authority. When the Governor looks at a project like the proposed high school project and then looks at a cost estimating company like Reed Construction Data (RS MEANS) and sees that there may be a problem with over inflated prices and contracts that are not going out for competitive bid on the State's Central Register he may recognize massive waste. He may also feel that a community should not knock down a structurally sound building that could be used to generate income for a community when that community could build a school for less money on another site. He should recognize that regional schools could help defray costs of education. A Wilmington/North Reading regional school would accomplish that.

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Ed Canney

1:46 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Kevin, you have described it correctly. The North Reading SSBC continually refers to the MSBC as an excuse for cost over runs. " We are following their protocols". But at the end of the day, the local property tax payer foots the bill. Patrick promotes new school building to keep the unions employed (the North Reading project are union contractors). He promises 50+% reimbursement. But its never even comes close to that number! Its bait & switch. North Reading(w/aid from Rep. Jones) got sucked into this nightmare. An 11% annual tax increase for 25 years!! But now they are $12M short, and proposed an additional tax hike. Its pure madness. And unless there is a public outcry, there will be more of the same. Very sad that we have local & State government basically use our homes for equity loans. But that''s what they're doing.

Kevin MacDonald

8:06 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

1.)Eliminate local government waste including nonessential personnel.
2.)Eliminate State government waste including nonessential personnel.
3.)Recognize that our prison system is our cheap labor and bring jobs back from over seas.
4.)Start to educate and train our prisoners and rehab them to be able to contribute to society rather than drain it.
5.)Find ways to build up people's income so they can spend and help build on the economy. ( break up the monopolies that are causing inflation, institute laws that require manufacturers to eliminate planned obsolesence and product failure so we become respectable again throughout the world for our goods produced.)
6.)Create a grant program that funds worker's compensation and insurance programs for start up businesses to help create jobs and to temporarily help companies get off the ground.
7.)Create laws that keep investment money in our economy and our country.
8.) Establish a better equipped/staffed/funded retraining program to transition people into other fields of employment.( especially nonessential government workers)
9.) Review State pension plans to require investment in the Massachusetts economy.
10.)A penny that is doubled every day is better than a one time pay out of a million dollars. Desire a little from a lot of workers rather than a lot from a little amount of workers.

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john smith

8:52 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Kevin I don't doubt that there are nonessential government workers, but can you give some examples of some? I'm sure they exist but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

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Witold

10:31 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Kevin MacDonald for %GOVERNMENT_POSITION!

A smaller government is a better government. Everybody gets all excited about start-up companies and what amazing things they can do with limited resources. On the other hand, everyone mocks the giant corporations like Microsoft/IBM for being slow, unimaginative and wasteful organization. Why can't we apply the same logic for governments?!

Irene

10:17 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

How about the 19,000 letters sent out to welfare recipients about voter registration that were returned "unkown" "not at this address"? Let's get rid of the welfare fraud first, then talk increases. I would rather fund an office that investigates fraud from individuals and corporations, than one cent of tax increase.

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Mike

10:40 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Hi Irene, I'm sure you're like most responsible folks and hate when misinformation gets spread as if it has a factual basis. Unfortunately, your statement is a prime example of that:

"State officials provided a breakdown of the 19,000 that showed about 11,200 were not receiving benefits and not required to update DTA of their whereabouts. The other roughly 7,700 were referred to local DTA offices where officials are verifying information case by case.

“The 7,700 pieces of mail that came back with a return address were contacted. We’re either verifying their new address as referred by the post office, or their benefits were stopped,” DTA Commissioner Dan Curley told the News Service. Curley said he is unsure how many of those 7,700 have been found to be out of compliance."
-- http://www.capecodtoday.com/article/2013/01/09/14077-19000-voter-registration-applications-returned

Now, you have a couple of options here: you can either accept that this information has been misconstrued by certain elements of the political spectrum, or you can double-down in spite of the facts and claim that an administrative oversight was actually a full-blown conspiracy....

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AHM

12:52 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I never understood why they don't hire more help to eliminate the fraud. Even if we broke even it would mean more people working. I don't have to look far to see it. Sorry to say even my own family. The longer they wait to work on this the harder it will be to resolve it. Last figure was what? A billion or more for illegals? Just get another state to hand out better benefits than we do. SSI is anothter one. So many could easily be working for minimum wage than us paying for them to sit home. And this is not about the ones who need it, just the freeloaders. People just sucking the money out of us. Never mind the pols, cadilac insurance. Commit a government crime and collect their pension. Just for starters.

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Cecil Moore

6:21 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Mike,

Is it your assertion that 7,700 "potential" fraud cases is acceptable? As long as it not 19,000 it is ok?. As far as I am concerned if the number came back of 1... It is worth investigating. Irene was merely attempting to make a point and your defense of those numbers is a bit troubling in light of our Governor's proposal to raise taxes.

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Vincent DiRico

6:34 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Cecil, you doubled down, you are mean ;)

I agree with you.

Further he takes the word of the dolts who had 11,200 on the wrong list; they all dropped off the dole the morning before the letter went out? and their claim ("were not receiving benefits") has zero percent error, I DOUBT IT!

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Vincent DiRico

8:04 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Irene, you hit it out of the park!!!!! Mike queue the crickets loop!

The state’s embattled welfare chief was forced to step down yesterday in the wake of a shocking internal report that found that a staggering 47,000 families receiving taxpayer-funded benefits are unaccounted for — and nearly $30 million in food stamp money went to recipients who were not eligible.

The shocking report, found that the Department of Transitional Assistance has lost track of 47,087 households on welfare — or one out of 10 of the total 478,000 who received DTA mailings.

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Mike

10:27 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

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Vincent DiRico

8:36 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013

misinformation, facts, double down, ... seems "low information" to me,...

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Southpaw

2:12 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

I heard (on the news) what you heard. No one said anything about "...roughly 7,700...." Mike should know this...if he watches the news. P.S. we should get rid of welfare, period, IMO. Sick of these leeches.

S. Nelson

10:45 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Between Fed (income taxes) and Local (Stoneham - Property taxes), my family's tax burden has increased over $3000 for 2013 already. Adding almost $1000 more to that on a state level would be insane even in a good economy, let alone the current state of things. But hey, a lower sales tax will encourage us to spend more of our disposable income, right? Oh, yeah... We don't have any disposable income.

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dq

4:18 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I know where all our disposable income goes....EBT Cards

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Jake

10:09 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Congrats, S. Nelson on your payraise. I assume you are one of the 'millilnaires and billionaires' who earn over $250,000, hence the tax increase......

Gene Pinkham

11:03 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

S. Nelson, did you forget that Deval "lowered" your Property taxes?

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AHM

12:54 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Explains the 2 new increases I just got. Plus he said it would be in line with the states around us. Don't think he checked NH where they do not have either.

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Southpaw

2:16 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

So what? Is that supposed to make people feel good? He wants to raise every other tax he can think of. Love the proposed "mileage" tax....yeah, let's make people PAY for driving their own car that they bought with their own money. WTF? The guy's a jack a**. He won't be happy until he drives the middle class into the ground.

David A.

12:57 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

It's interesting that the Governor does not feel compelled to reduce costs in any way to help support the goals he's stated. Apparently, only "increased revenue" is the way to go. This at a time when the Governor feels compelled to give illegal residents in-state tuition support on the our tax dollar, while cutting aid to cities and towns.

I’m struggling to recall a time when we taxed ourselves out of a sluggish economy…perhaps someone out there has that answer…

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Southpaw

2:19 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

He's Obama's buddy. They want to give everything away to the ones who don't deserve it and make us pay for it. Illegals should get NOTHING from us. They should also be sent back where they came from....right back under the rock they crawled out of.

paul surette

1:46 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

All excellent points, David. Maybe if Duval & Company used program monies for their intended programs, instead of misdirecting those funds to other wasteful programs. And here's a wacky idea....STOP SPENDING MORE THAN THE STATE TAKES IN ! Simple economics!

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Tyler Jozefowicz

7:25 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Paul:the State is required to balance its budget by law , does so every year. Always in balance. Duval is doing a great job. That's why we like him.

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Jason

7:02 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Tyler, no he is not doing a "great job". The dems are very good at getting themselves in big trouble. That's it.

3 speakers of the house, all covicted felons.
Chelsea housing authority boss, micheal McLaughlin, helped by Tom Murray into the job, resigned under FBI investigation.
Failing MBTA system, for years under ducal, failing.
Boston city council members, fail.

Let's correct your statement, " that's why you like him". Refrain from speaking for others.

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Bob

9:05 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Tyler, you like him and the Democrats because you don't read the fine print! He is "balancing" the budget based on tax receipt PROJECTIONS! He is also taking another $400 Million from the rainy day fund! Many people "balanced" their home budgets like this and lost their homes because they couldn't pay their bills. But you keep going with your bunnies and butterflies world!

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Bob

9:18 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Tyler, One other thing. The US Senate is also required by law to pass a budget yearly yet hasn't in 4 years! Democrat controlled. You like them too, right?

Paul Tress

4:29 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Even if the increased revenue occurs what guarantee is there it will be used for education and transportation? I predict some of the new revenue will be used to pay for state and local retiree pensions and medical benefits, especially for teachers, under the guise this frees up other monies for schools.

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AHM

4:41 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

You mean you don't trust them to do what they say they will do? Their track record is so clean. This guy just may be the worst govenor we have ever had but this is his last term and most likely trying to set himself up to be president one day. He just may have to make sure he does this right to get him in position. At least that is what one would think. The one in charge not couldn't run his state either, and now look at us. They really think we are so stupid. I may have hated Mitt as govenor but at least he was better at handeling the money.

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Tyler Jozefowicz

7:28 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Sam: that's a good thing. So in other words , everyone is stupid except those that lost the election are the only smart ones? Don't think so

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Southpaw

2:22 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

President? I shudder the thought. Can't imagine anyone would vote for this jack a**. I will pray he can't even make it to the ballot. Would love to punch that smirk off his face....that he wears all the time.

Sam

4:43 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Technically we are stupid. Look at our State legislature or Town officials and the POTUS. All voted in

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AHM

4:55 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

I have a clear conscience, no one I voted for got in. We don't always get good choices of who to vote for and during my years on earth we just seem to get a worse selection of people to vote for. I don't care if it is an R or a D. Niether side has anyone qualified for these positions. I would likeone day before I go to have someone to vote for. Either the good ones don't run or they are held back is the only logical guess I can make.

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R Gagnon

5:19 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

It has been my observation that where politics are concerned, the cream doesn't rise to the top. The suggestion that the good ones either don't run or are held back is spot on. Look at what happened to the only honest politician in the last presidential election. Ron Paul was locked out of his own party's convention because he cannot be bought and influenced by special interests.

But my conscience is clear. I wrote him in on my ballot. I am all done voting for the lesser of 2 evils.

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Bob

9:54 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

They have been emboldened by the results in November. They now know they can do anything they want and retain power in Massachusetts. We have seen the enemy and he is us!

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Tyler Jozefowicz

7:59 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Sam: I voted for Obama, I voted for Duval, compared to their competition , both are great. To follow your logic , the vast majority of voters are "stupid", because they did not vote for Charlie Baker , or Romney. No one here wanted those Republican stiffs, except the anti government , anti-Obama, anti-Patrick, anti-Democrat crowd.The MA people made the right choices. Calling people stupid because they did not vote your way , well, that sounds really stupid.

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Cecil Moore

1:51 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Sam,

Tyler just added credibility to your assertion. You are right.

SomervilleGirl

6:33 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

This problem is more complex. Didn't the state and municipalities lose millions from WS Casino Gambling w/ taxpayer money? The money is gone, retirements need to be paid. I'm disappointed he is raising income tax. We are already burdened enough. Does he really plan to fix the MBTA? I was riding in a section of the train tonight that only had 3 ceiling lights working. Trains are from 1969. MBTA Alerts questionable. Are they really delays due to emergencies? I've been riding the "T" since the 70s -they ran better. If they overdevelop the area, they need to work on the infrastructure. It's time to scrap the old trains. We need a new system like Germany and Japan where residents pay for it too, but at least it's a good product.

You can't keep telling taxpayers that their money is going to fix education and the MBTA for the past 30 years and still have the same broken systems.

No wonder people move away. The reason is simple--those at the top are making too much money. If someone is doing a bad job, they should be fired without compensation. Remember what happened to the last guy who was fired from the MBTA? They handed him a big check. It's the same with WS bailouts and bonuses- they get rewarded for irresponsibility and causing a fiscal disaster.

Kevin McDonald--Your second comment could not have been more accurate!

Lowering the state sales tax will not produce revenue--people do not spend what they don't have and those that do keep sinking into debt.

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SomervilleGirl

6:45 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

He did such a great job, that's why he moved to Hawaii. Unbelievable.

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Zoltan

6:52 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013

A one percentage point hike is essentially a 20% increase in the state income tax collected. With the exception of some type of catastrophe in this state that would just be feeding the beast even more.

In spite of all the resources we continue to put into our educational system it's been on a gradual decline for decades. One contributing factor to that decline could be an increase in the number of students showing up at first grade who cannot speak english.

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SomervilleGirl

12:53 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013

Zoltan,

I believe it is more to do with overpaid administrators who are simply not worth the money we pay them. The entire system needs a major overhaul. Good teachers should be paid well. Few will make sacrifices necessary to do the job well and be handed a salary that is not competitive--they will choose to work in other industries so they can at least pay the rent.

Not all of our problems should be blamed on the immigrants. Many are exploited by American business owners who also pay them less than minimum wage.

If you get out there and talk to people, you will really learn what is going on. Misinformation is what keeps the perpetuating cycle going without any positive change.

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Robert L Homeyer

6:03 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

The Democrats are "TAX & Spend". We need to reduce spending and not increase taxes. Florida has no income tax and the weather is much nicer. People may vote with their feet. The Commonwealth needs to understand that we already have some of the highest taxes in the country and they need to run the state with what they have. We need fiscal responsibility. They need to fix the infrastructure before they fund the social programs. They need to take care of the taxpayers before they take care of the people flocking to this state (legally and illegally) to take advantage of our largess.

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Kevin

8:47 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

Once again those of us with jobs get slapped again. Increasing income tax only hurts those who have jobs and not the freeloaders. Am I the only one who sees this?

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BC2426

11:25 am on Friday, January 18, 2013

These arguments could go on forever...But really the only discussion should be....UNTIL...all government can cut the waste, abuse, and misappriation of funds....WE the people should not have to pay. Basics...Would any of us buy a product that doesn't work, or never comes in the mail as promised, no we would return it or cancel the order. WHY should this be any different with our government. Taxes are meant to provide the basic services, and not extras....I am sure this is something we all can agree with.

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Paul Rotondi

9:10 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Just another example of the “Beacon Hill” mentality they have never met a tax, fee or surcharge they didn’t like. Instead of managing their budgets like we have to, they just pay off the special interests and tax more. The Beacon Hill Gang in Stoneham is following the same road map. Wait until they get their “Community Preservation Act ‘approved in April, you will be paying additional taxes in Stoneham also. Remember, the final power rests in your vote. Quiz the candidates and vote for the ones who want to manage the town’s finances like you manage yours.

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Ron

9:02 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

So raising the state's income tax by 1 percentage point and lowering the sales tax will raise $2 Billion? Who is getting a break?

Mini Me wants to increase Income tax on citizens who work and pay taxes in the state. Would this exclude those who are on government assistance and illegals who aren't on the books? Lowering the Sales Tax. Nice idea from the podium but does that mean that he didn't know what he was doing when he raised two years ago or did he realize that NH is not that far away and the easier way to collect taxes from working families is to tax there income?

Does the Great Lizzy Warren approve of the contimued "Hammering" of the middle class families?

Show some fiscal responsivbiity.

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Gene Pinkham

9:46 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The Underground Economy gets the break by lowering the Sates Tax. Don't forget. Deval wants to raise the Gas Tax by .30. That means the cost of going to work is going up for you to take home less in your pay check. So we lose twice.

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Dave Gray

11:10 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I always wonder about the thought process of those who blame public retirees for this mess. Here we have people who took a public sector job 35 years ago when wages were crap, but benefits were decent. They lived up to their end of the bargain, did their years, and took their pensions, according to the rules. Since then we've had all these unfunded state mandates, EBT cards, etc, etc, etc, the Big Dig - you name it. If all the waste and fraud had been properly addressed, if we weren't paying $2000 for a hammer and $5000 for a toilet seat we'd be fine. The public retires are getting what they agreed to 30 - 40 years ago, before all this liberal tax and spend stuff get out of control. Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of public pensioners are thoroughly decent people who lived up to their end of the bargain and who get barely enough to maintain a moderately decent life. Anyone who thinks they're on some kind of gravy train is delusional. If you retired with an annual salary of 50K, your pension is 40K. That sound like a gravy train to you?

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Bob

12:11 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Dave, that was true 30-40 years ago. Today and over the last 20 years, public sector incomes have met and exceeded the average salary of the private sector in the Commonwealth. The issue is they have kept their pensions at the same rates as 30-40 years ago. That is why a corrupt midget can make 80% of his salary in pension for the rest of his life.

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Dave Gray

3:00 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

I'm not convinced your income figures are accurate. Do you have any documentation of that? My experience is quite different - I've been retired a couple of years, and have a 25 year old kid in the private sector who makes more than I ever did after 35 years in the public sector. I made a conscious decision to take lower pay for a defined benefit plan - it's not my fault the private sector has phased out defined benefit plans and screwed their employees time after time by defaulting on their pension plans. For every corrupt midget getting a lifetime pension, their are 5000 people who played by the rules for 35 years. It's not fair to hold them accountable for misdeeds and misadventures of either the fools and frauds in government or the thieves on Wall Street. For me, the bottom line is that we made a deal 35 years ago. I lived up to my end, and now you have to live up to yours.

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Ron

3:56 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Dave,

Your correct, it's not your fault and those who agreed to the terms of your pension should be held responsbile for seeing it through. It their fault that the pensions are in danger but who's going to address the future?

The public sector is a great place to work for those who work and a greater place to work for others. Unfortunately the ones who abuse the program ruin it for all. In the private sector if you put in a workmans comp claim and are caught golfing your're fired on the spot. There are few unions who can or will help.

Again, not your fault, you deserve what you've earned.

This is exactly what the politicians want, have both sides argue over what is right and what is wrong instead of focusing on a solution and sticking to it. In stead they keep sticking it to anyone everyone they can, as often as they can. The end result is always the same. They don't have enough to pay for anything and need more.

Whether your a supporter or not, JFK is rolling over in his grave. His famous comment "Don't ask what the country can do for me, ask what I can do for the Country". I haven't heard any of todays politicians who love to put themselves in his shadow refer to that lately.

Today's politicians say, don't worry, get you free stuff here because no one is going to put our feet to the fire. Just remember me when you vote.

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Bob

4:28 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Dave, Sure. But I am 35 years in with with 12 to go before I can bail. I too have family on the public dole and I can assure you they do not work hard! They make $80+K and hardly work. They are set for life as they will retire at 48 and work at the same job as a consultant making twice the pay while collecting their pension!
Yes, I can put you all in the same pile because it was people like yourself who screwed the rest of us by electing and backing the idiots who made these deals. As long as you got yours, the heck with the rest of us! Now the tables are turning. The money tree is bare!

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Dave Gray

5:24 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Bob, you're way off. The rules you're talking about were made before I was born. How is that my fault? You had the same choice I did - public or private? I chose public and took less pay and a defined pension. You chose private because the reward was more immediate and potentially much greater. And those other 12 years you're talking about? I spent those in the military. I'm sorry you're so bitter, but that isn't my fault either. You made the choice. I'm not talking about not making changes in the pension system from here on out - it's clear that needs to be done. In fact, in the past couple of years there have been huge changes made in both the retirement and health care rules for current employees and future hires. But you don't get to change the rules for me after the fact because you're jealous or unhappy about the result. Sorry. And BTW - I WISH my pension was 80K. You see me lounging around on some beach on the Riviera?

MPG

11:11 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Great job all done by all those who voted for this dishonest politician. Remember his promise to lower our property taxes? BS!
Where are all the governors backers now? Let's hear from you folks how it's OK to keep on taking more and more of our hard earned money.

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Paul Tress

11:25 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The points I'm trying make on pensions are:
1. Employees should get what they were promised.
2. The anticipated revenue to pay the pensions is insufficient.
3. The higher taxes will be used for a current level of funding since the promised pensions payments must be spent resulting in spending cuts unless more revenue is incoming.

Remember, these workers usually have no Social Security and have saved a large part of their income via withdrawals for their pensions at a rate that is usually higher than the payroll tax (for Social Security) and the typical deferred income rate for 401ks or equivalent. They must not be victims of false promises of investment companies to pension boards.

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Dave Miskinis

11:54 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Lowering the sales tax and increasing the income tax benefits those on the welfare train...it lowers their cost of consumption as they are spenders and not earners, it improves their services (paid for by the increased income tax) and it further burdens people who are out there trying to earn a living. Again, the state is not addressing the real problems.

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golf

12:22 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

At the State Auditor's office there is a group that investigates welfare fraud check out what they do. Why every time we here about fraud in welfare there not mentioned. Maybe the Auditor doesn’t think there is fraud. It looks like they don’t do much

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Dave Gray

12:38 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Paul, I generally agree, but that's certainly not the retiree's fault, is it? You seem willing to accept that and place blame where it belongs.

Your points about SS and contribution rates are well made, and also tie in to health care. For example, if you are SS eligible, you are forced by state law to be unenrolled from the town's regular health care program and to enroll in and pay for Medicare, but you will probably not get a SS check because of the income exclusion. (A good idea - prevents a lot of double-dipping.) Even if you yourself are not eligible, but are married or were ever married for 10 years or more to a spouse who is eligible, you must take and pay for Medicare. Most retirees also opt to purchase a Medicare supplement plan, since Medicare only pays about 80%. Some, but not all towns have a contractual agreement to pay some portion of the Part B costs. The problem here is the escalating uncontrolled cost of health care - again, not the fault of retirees, who are just as victimized by mismanagement and out-of-control spending as anyone else. The first step in correcting this mess is to correctly identify the problem.

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BD

6:49 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

So MA already ranks 8th in the country in tax burder according to USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2012/10/28/state-taxes-states-highest-lowest/1654071/). The governor wants to raise us to the very top and to use the money for education and transportation. Last I looked, the U.S. is already is in the very high end of educational spending per student and yet the country ranks only 32 in math and 17 in reading proficiency. I doubt money is the problem, so NO MORE TAXES! Under Deval Patrick's government there is nothing but waste.

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Ron

10:11 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Don't forget, Mini Me was one of the first Governors to jump on board POTUS's 2008 Education reform plan for a national testing standard. By following Obama's lead the Commonwealth received funding to lower the existing test standard that was in place.

With these characters it doesn't promote any reason to excel. It will only cost you in the long run.

SomervilleGirl

8:54 pm on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Does he really expect people to go out and buy things when most are already in so much debt? When there are no jobs and many are still making the same pay they did ten years ago, but all the bills continue to go up, not many families are out there spending for products they can do without. They should go back to taxing the wealthy and create jobs as promised. Few believe the money is going to fix the MBTA and Education. How many years have they promised? Just keep boycotting everything you can and save your money. That's what I try to do. It's not easy, but when they keep digging into our pockets, it's really the best solution. I gave up my car except for groceries and ride the T wherever I can. I also do not buy what I don't need. Many of our former generations who lived through worst times came from humble beginnings and learned to go without. They may not have driven the best cars or owned plasma TV's, but at least their homes were paid for and they had no debt. They knew the banks were crooked and would never take a home mortgage or carry a credit card. Of course, those were different times back then, when companies valued their employees and gave them decent wages and retirement, healthcare. The rich created jobs and didn't send them overseas. That is the biggest issue we face today. Maybe they should ask WS for their money back since most of it was tossed on the Ponzi Scheme roulette table. Why doesn't the IRS get the slush funds in offshore accounts?

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AHM

10:16 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I am making less than I was 10 years ago. Try doing that to the pols and see how they like it. Same boat, looking for ways to cut back. Used clothing, gojng out to dinner is out. I try and plan my driving so as to have everything done with the least amount of driving. Even with my truck which is my living I am very careful as that uses a lot of gas. Walmart phone service for business. We turn on the heat for 1 hour in the morning and 1 hour in the evening and then turn it off. Gave up expensive medications. Had to give up gonng to the dentist. Watch 35 year old tv that sometimes comes in color if you hit the side of it. All this while I watch them waste my money. I don't see how we will ever get out of this mess unless we can find real leaders form the city on up. It's sad what we are leaving for the following generations. More and more debt, can't live that way. Welcome to the real world.

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AHM

5:00 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Meant 25 year old tv, not that it matters much. As for the IRS we have people who have the knowhow to get around such things. Unlike us who do the right thing.

stevieB

8:30 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Massachusetts is quickly becoming a welfarev state..Ssdi, welfare, free housing, free lunches..everything is free for all these poorest of the poor..the most vulnerable..the down on their luck etc..same group runs around with 200 dollar sneakers, plenty of money for booze and scratch tickets and always looking for a handout..they don't pay taxes..therefore they don't care...but the low info voters as u say...keep voting incompetents like Barack , deval, long John , Barney etc...u get what u deserve..and your kids will pay dearly...oh we'll too bad!

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Ron

9:10 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Duval, "We" need to start investing in Politicians who know how to run a businsess, not someone who is looking to create new taxes to take from the working class. Where does the new Senator sit on this? Wasn't her entire campain focused on protecting the middle class?

Less than 1 month into her new gig and she's already is already silent. Taking her oders to turn her back and she is oh so happy to do so. She sat in the room when Mini Me laid down his assault plan on the working class and when she was asked to respond she looked at Mini Me for an answer. Painful!

If he can't get these taxes in or the .30 gas tax, or the milage tax does he move to raise the debt cieling becasue he's squandered to much on assistance programs?

A little over a half century ago in his inaugrual address JFK made the statement "Don't ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country". Today low Information Voters, come out of the woodwork to vote for the same democratic party politicians who have a new agenda.

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AHM

10:28 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I disagree with the low information voters. They know what they are voting for. We have a large amount of people who don't want their check shut off that are capable of working but get paid more to stay home. Don't want to lose their cell phones and whatever else free is given to the non deserving ones. So they know. And what do these pols know about hardships? We got any poor ones there that know what we are going through?

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quasimodo

1:47 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

OK, I hear sooooo much about a free cell phone, where do I get one?

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Bob

3:28 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Quasi, obviously you are new at scamming the system. Any welfare queen knows it is at... http://www.freegovernmentcellphones.net/states/massachusetts-government-cell-phone-providers

Rog

9:18 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I don't want the schools you have described or the rail and road services you have laid out if it means an increase in my taxes.

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Chev

9:25 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I am all for investing in out future but I cannot afford another tax increase at this time. I'm just barely getting by as is.

We just saw a 2% loss in our paychecks after the payroll tax holiday ran out. Now you want us to pony up another 1%...? I've always voted democrat but I'm starting to see what the republicans are talking about. This is getting to be too much!

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CallMeFrustrated

9:55 am on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Blindly voting for a single party is a big reason we are in this mess to begin with - voting for the Democrats in MA is suicide. Too much power in one party's hands and you can see what it leads to. It is only going to get worse.

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quasimodo

1:51 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Now, that makes lot of sense. You want to invest in the future, but you don't want to pay for it. When you find the solution, let us on it: I will be ALL for it.

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Chev

3:14 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Quasi, you're right... what you said doesn't make sense. What I'm saying is, right now I can't afford another tax increase so I'm against the investment.

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Bob

3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Quasi, I guess you missed Chev's "... I cannot afford another tax increase AT THIS TIME" caveat so I will point it out to you. You're welcome!

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quasimodo

8:55 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

The truth of the matter is that Chev and people like him (or her) will ALWAYS find an excuse and will NEVER find the right time to invest in the future.

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Bob

8:24 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Quasi, no! People like Chev and I just want to see that our dollars are well spent! The issue is people like you have the "just throw money at it" solution to everything even though it has shown time and again not to work. How far into debt, how much waste, how much corruption do you need to see before you say enough is enough? Or are you so blinded by big government that you don't notice?

stevieB

2:28 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Let's put all those scamming ssdi and welfare freeloaders to work..they'll get that choo choo train working soon..just promise a couple Xbox games and a Barack Obama shirt

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AHM

5:10 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

Can't do that. It is cruel and unusual punishment.

AHM

8:10 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

I see in the Herald he is coming out with some more taxes before he even finishes up with this. Good grief, I can't keep up with this guy. He is going to bury us. Will be better off staying home and collecting than going to work at this rate. Water, soda, sports drinks, tobacco products and you will be taxed on candy and soda products. Not that any of that will effect me, but he is just coming at us from all sides. I suppose next week it will be health food. Whatever they take from us it will never be enough. NH, no state or sales tax, what gives.

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Vincent DiRico

8:49 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

It is so much WORSE than that:
- 2% fed tax hike, the low info voters sure were given a surprise from Mr 0
- 1% income tax, gas tax, auto increases in taxes and fees, ... from Mini-Me (the Muppet that looks and acts like Mr 0)
- rolling local overrides
- Mr 0's promise to take more deductions away
- trillion $ deficits as far as the eye can see
- ...

The BEAST is hungry!

quasimodo

9:05 pm on Wednesday, January 23, 2013

@ Chev

No, I said YOU do not make sense. As for me, I make lot of sense, because I've seen, I mean I've heard over and over, people such as yourself always complaining about their poor, pitiful situations. Life is tough, life is unfair, you just have to make the best out of it, and drop the "wow is me"attitude.

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ron johnson

8:18 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Quasi,
I guess that means you are "paying a little more than" and not minding. Good for you.
This proposal makes it more likely that a company with a choice of NH or MA as a location will pick NH. Why, because its employees will prefer to live in NH. The reduction in the sales tax will not incent people to spend more and will have no real impact. Again if the the better option is zero sales tax.

And by the way, if someone says that they cannot afford to pay more, a comment like your smacks of elitist snobbery and you were the first in line to jump on Romney.
Saying "wow(a type) is me" is the same as what Romney said, he he got blasted.

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Bob

8:28 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Ron, remember during the election when they (liberals) were arguing a VAT tax (National sales tax) was the fairest of taxes? Now sales tax is not the best way to collect taxes so we need a higher income tax. And the lemmings continue to walk off the cliff and vote D!

Gene Pinkham

10:03 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Deval is going to add Dental to Mass Health.

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MO

11:42 am on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Two studies have proven Head Start to be a failure. Now Deval wants to fund “educating” our infants. He can’t be serious!

Head Start Impact Evaluation Report Finally Released:
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/01/head-start-impact-evaluation-report-finally-released

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Sam

12:01 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Today's PROGRESSIVES want to begin controlling your child's mind as early as possible. Money well spent

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ron johnson

1:34 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Steve,
Because the average American voter is an economic illiterate. All they heard was that the problems in the economy were caused by those greedy wall street types and they should pay their fair share, a little bit more. Unfortunately Romney could not get out of his own way. No one wants to cut spending if they are going to suffer as the result of the cut.

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ron johnson

2:07 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

And people buying houses they could not afford and getting forclosed had nothing to do with it either.

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ron johnson

2:10 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

And by the way, everyone can agree that Romney's comment was poorly thought out and can be attacked. It was dumb. However the basic premise remains, too many people who voted for EW and Obama voted based upon a easy way out, all our problems were caused by rich people who are greedy and are taking advantage of the system.

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ron johnson

3:37 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Steve,
who said they were admired and no one made them sign up for a mortgage they could not afford. I am always amazed by the logic, who made them do it, were they dragged off the street and told to buy the house, if you want assign greed I would say it takes two people to complete the transaction. If no one wanted to buy the house and sign the no doc loans there would not have been a market. Mean while the buyer is in a house they could not afford and they knew it, but were more than happy to take advantage of the process. Steve keep talking and maybe you will convince yourself they each one of the poor home buyers were not innocent bystanders.

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ron johnson

4:45 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Steve,
First of all please read carefully, I said, it takes two people. Also, no one is comparing this too getting mugged. If you actually knew how a foreclosure worked maybe your opinion would have value. In many cases there was no downpayment, and it may take as long as a year to get someone out of the house which in many cases is trashed as well. The person again in many cases may not pay any mortgage payments for up to a year and thus live in the house rent free and pay nothing in taxes as well as no mortgage payments. As far as promotions, really? and yes the person handling the mortgage got a commission. My point remains, many people bought houses they could not afford and knew they could not. To compare this to a person who is mugged walking down the street just shows how desperate you are to try and make a point. I am tired of people who refuse to admit that sometimes there is another side to the equation.

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paul surette

6:48 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Agreed, Ron. All too often, foreclosures were the result of someone taking on a mortgage they could not afford! And most of those folks, just play the system. Malden is full of distressed properties like that.And I'm sorry, Steve....but I think that whole 'predatory' lender is a smokescreen to hide blame where it belonged in the first place! If you WILLINGLY agree and endorse the terms, whether or not Mr. Lender charged you an exorbitant amount of fees, then that's on Y-O-U! These people had a choice, now they have to live with it...END OF STORY! The moral to this story is a simple one....don't write a check that your ass can't cash!

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SomervilleGirl

8:33 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Ron,

There are reasons why the public has not been told the real truth about the mortgage scams. Do you know why that is? Take a guess? I'll give you the quick answer--because it became open season on real estate owned by the middle class who had lots of equity. Can't have that--"let's figure out a way to steal from the people who worked to keep what they deserved". Those who gained: Developers, Realtors, Towns, Lawyers, Mortgage Brokers and WS cohorts--the banks who were never losing money. They would flip the loans at warp speed and make thousands each time. They never sold the homes to first home buyers as promised, instead they would foreclose, then sell the home back to themselves at huge discounts. Many homeowners lost everything--forced into bankruptcy, credit down the tubes, IRS and DOR after them, retirement was used to help them to survive. Some lawyers were helping homeowners and testifying, "they were suppose to be professional and ethical in their practice as broker/lender"--but somehow they made what would never be considered legal--totally acceptable because there were plenty of winners, but those were the ones crying for bailouts and got more money than they deserved. Millions of homeowners across the country--many hardworking, as investors got duped because they believe countless lies told by those who committed extortion of the worst kind. Now that money is buying up more land and property once occupied by working class. WS is Govt.

david mokal

6:58 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

The loan apps were fudged so that it looked like the buyer coulkd afford it. The real eastate people were promising thet the roll over would be tremendouse and they could turn the house and make a large profeit. Odviously it could not happen. Remember the banks used to be very strict at one time.

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paul surette

7:33 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Mr. Cavaretta, all too often, I try and engage people on the internet, by using some sort of civility. Most times I'm successful in doing that. I thought my last response had accomplished that. Clearly, I was wrong to assume that, so I'm just going to say this....this will be my last response to you on anything here, because, clearly, my attempt at being civil to you was, sadly, an exercise in futility. You, sir, can take your origination documents, and politely shove them up your ass! Good day, sir!

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SomervilleGirl

9:20 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

Does anyone understand what WS has gotten away with? Did you see, "Inside Job", "Margin Call"? Some people understand the plutocracy regime which is never going to be satisfied until we are all living under one big slum lord. Could they possibly cause any more civil unrest than we already have? The only thing they fear is exposure of the truth, but what media outlet would be brave enough to walk that walk? Very few, considering the corporate world owns them as well.

Unless the spineless decide to grow a backbone and demand trillions of taxpayers money be refunded back to the U.S. Treasury, along with trillions of tax evaded off shore accounts, the middle class will keep paying for the crimes of corporate raiders and freeloaders.

So you don't like people on welfare, but you prefer corporate welfare?

Is that because they have increased your 401k by 400% this month?

Are you keeping a close eye on those numbers? How much have your investments earned over the past 5 years? Do you have enough for retirement? Well, don't hold your breath. They made sure all our investments are now failed investments--our homes being the greatest losses of all. Didn't the same occur in the 30's? Why are you surprised?

It's really simple--they have armies of lawyers to keep them from being prosecuted and they are using our tax dollars to save them from life without parole.

How does that make you feel?

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John Intorcio

2:21 pm on Friday, March 1, 2013

>>> Is that because they have increased your 401k by 400% this month?

Can I get in on this? My 401k is not doing anywhere near that well.

SomervilleGirl

9:27 pm on Thursday, January 24, 2013

"Homes underwater"? That is a pretty funny comment. All of our homes are underwater even those which are paid for--They will continue to keep taking away from those who have it. So just keep that check book handy.

What's next?

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Slim Tebow

9:34 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013

how can your mortgage be underwater if you don't have a mortgage (as in, the mortgage is paid off)?

ron johnson

8:57 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

How, do you lose your house if you make your payments on time ever month?

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Gene Pinkham

11:02 am on Friday, January 25, 2013

Anyone else notice they don't run DiTech ads on TV anymore?

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